I'm looking to start a Medium NK Breed club to get chugata NIPPO judges to the U.S.
  • CrimsonO2CrimsonO2
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    Hi all,
    Ever since I found out about the Beikoku Shiba Aikikai, I've always wondered if there was a show similar for the medium NK breeds. And ever since I came back from the Ohio Classic sponsored by the Colonial Shiba Club this year, I've been bitten by the show bug.

    I'm fortunate enough to be friends with the president of BSA and we both share the dream that the NK breeds needs to be more inclusive and educational than just Shiba or just Akita (i.e. Akiho). We share a dream of having an NK weekend where the show would go for multiple days covering all 6 of the breeds (albeit the medium breeds are a small population). She has been very encouraging to me regarding pursuing the ability to get a platform for the medium breeds.

    Knowing that the bookend breeds are covered (Shiba by way of BSA and Aikita by way of Akiho), is anyone interested in starting a Southern California/West Coast charter club for the medium breeds (Shikoku, Kishu, Kai, Hokkaido)? If a charter club could get established, NIIPPO takes care of flying judges out for shows and the club would pay for the hotel stay (and prizes).

    There's obvious advantages and disadvantages of doing this but, as recent threads have displayed, the medium breeds need preservation efforts, and the best group to approach first are "dog people" and "show people" (as Anne and Brad put it).

    I'll make no bones about it, the sole purpose of that club would be to raise money for the yearly judging that happens in LA/Orange County here in California and it would allow us the opportunity to inform and expose multiple audiences that Japanese dogs are more than the Akita and Shiba.

    So...that being said, anyone interested in this venture?

    Jesse
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  • PoetikDragonPoetikDragon
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    Even though I do not own a medium breed, I am interested in helping.
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  • CrimsonO2CrimsonO2
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    Thanks Claire, making this happen would take some serious political tiptoeing but I think the end result would be something truly special.

    Jesse
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  • toshitoshi
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    Hey Jesse met you once at the oc pet expo. What can we do to help?
  • CrimsonO2CrimsonO2
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    Hey Toshi,
    Honestly, it'll all boil down to a membership and money thing. I've stated the goal and vision: Have a NIPPO sanctioned weekend of all NK dogs (Shiba, Kai, Kishu, Hokkaido, Shikoku, Akita...and Tosa, why not?). We bring the dogs over here, but word needs to get out to "dog/show" people that there's more to Japanese dogs than Akita and Shiba. It's our hope that the word of mouth spread to help assist preservation efforts. Hell, you should've heard the number of comments the NK Forum got when we attended the Ohio Classic.

    Jesse
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  • CrimsonO2CrimsonO2
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    I'm not sure...but then the Tosa isn't a medium breed, so I'll leave it to someone else to carry that torch. :-) Population is so low amongst the medium breeds that it's not worth it to do a breed-by-breed club for the medium breeds.

    Jesse
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  • BradA1878BradA1878
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    I'd be happy to help out however I can...
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  • ttddinhttddinh
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    Thanks jesse for your efforts! I will be happy to help in any way I can, even though I can no longer show Kaiju. :) However, I am really not the right person for political tiptoeing nor do I have the time/energy for that but you have my 100% support in your endeavors, so let me know when we would like to have a meeting/convo to pursue this, and I will be there.
  • aykayk
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    I don't know if I'll be a member (since I lack Japanese dogs), but I'll donate towards the show.

    (Or maybe if you just need numbers for the club roster, I'll join but as a non-voting member...)
    Post edited by ayk at 2013-07-28 18:06:05
  • CrimsonO2CrimsonO2
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    Right now I'm just gauging interest with regards to forming such a club. I'll keep you updated as I find out more.

    Jesse
    Jesse Pelayo

  • lindsaytlindsayt
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    I live way north of most of you, but I'm happy to help and reach out to show breeders and such.
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  • mdokicmdokic
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    Sounds interesting to me :) Let me know when you get more details about moving forward!
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  • ceziegcezieg
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    I'm definitely interested. @lindsayt and I have been talking about something similar, but a larger umbrella organization for large scale events is certainly something to talk about!
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  • StaticNfuzzStaticNfuzz
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    Keep us posted on what you need and details.
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  • sunyatasunyata
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    Jesse, I am on the opposite coast, but I would be happy to do whatever is needed from afar!
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  • CrimsonO2CrimsonO2
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    I will keep this forum updated as I find out things. The main thing will obviously be $$. If I am successful, the end result is an open style judging event here in Southern California like what we saw in Ohio. That will mean travel for many of you and your pups.

    Jesse
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  • PoetikDragonPoetikDragon
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    So how many members and how much money is necessary to have another charter NIPPO club in the US? How many dogs and how much money is necessary to put on a NIPPO show in So Cal? Is anyone familiar with the legal and financial aspects of creating such a club? Are there any concrete goals at this point or still too soon?
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  • shishiinushishiinu
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    Sign me up Jesse!
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  • CrimsonO2CrimsonO2
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    Too soon @poeticdragon ߘᮠThe main concrete goal is to have a 2014 NIPPO chugata judge to fly out and conduct an event. Hopefully pool resources to coincide with BSA event. That would be the smart thing to do.

    Jesse
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  • aykayk
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    One year I heard about some resistance by some Shiba club members to open up the BSA show. President was all for it, but the membership voted against it due to reasons like loss of focus about what BSA is about.

    So just be prepared to offer contingency plans that will accommondate their concerns.

    Perhaps the Shibas can show as usual on weekend 1, the judge gets his usual bus tour to Yosemite or the Grand Canyon, and then the other breeds gets judged on weekend 2. The Shiba champ can join up or not then.

    Or organize a new combo show in the Fall instead of competing against BSA's March shows. With such a long "specialty" history of over 20+ years, it can be hard to give up that tradition and change course.



    I prefer the later idea because then there's no confusion about registry limitations. And you'll be able to build on "the Shiba is the gateway breed to the medium-sized NK" on the same day.

    Also, if you time it right with the Fall Festivals, you might be able to hit the Japanese Cultural center for funding and free advertising like the Jindo folks have done. :-D

    Post edited by ayk at 2013-07-30 13:10:18
  • CrimsonO2CrimsonO2
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    Smart idea Ann! I'll see if I can do that to the myriad of other holidays we have here. Also see if any of them happen to be during off-peak travel months.

    Jesse
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    Post edited by CrimsonO2 at 2013-07-30 12:17:59
  • *JackBurton**JackBurton*
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    Over all I think it is a great idea. I doubt BSA would be willing to share on their show weekend. Speaking for JACA and Akiho I don't see that happening either. It's hard enough getting the field for the JACA/Akiho show weekend as it is.

    That said, Ben and I have been kicking around the idea of running a second show in the fall. I was thinking along the lines of an open Nihonken show. The only reason that I haven't pushed this is 1) I need to get our official UKC show off the ground this year and 2) I got the feeling that people here would not be open to a Nihonken Classic through UKC. So over all this idea really didn't make it out my brain :).

    I think you should totally go with setting up a medium breed club. In a sense you can accomplish the same goals by partnering on your show weekend with BSA or whoever. JACA would be open to helping out on that show weekend. It wouldn't need to be a UKC event.

    What you don't want is to form this club to duplicate what other clubs are already doing. Focus on the nihonken breeds that don't have a real venue to be in. Also one other issue that you need to consider is that status of the club. We had difficulty getting insurance for JACA before UKC. A lot of insurance companies will only insure clubs attached to national level clubs. Akiho was grandfathered in but JACA had a hard time.

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  • PoetikDragonPoetikDragon
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    I would love for a FALL show instead of yet another one in spring/February.

    Just not October. For the love of dog, not October! We call it "Helltober" around here because its so busy...
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    Post edited by PoetikDragon at 2013-07-30 13:09:54
  • CrimsonO2CrimsonO2
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    Crap...insurance?? maaan...talk about chicken and egg. Can't be at a national level when it's not even nationally recognized, thus the event so I can get nationally recognized.

    Regardless, all the insight and encouragement the members have given here are invaluable. I'm still not deterred and am even more determined to make it happen.

    From my perspective in attending the BSA show. The show numbers for BSA have been dwindling as less and less Shibas are interested in being NIPPO registered (guess many of them think AKC is enough or breed with AKC studs thus rendering the litter unregisterable?).

    Colonial Shiba Club conveyed as much to me while I was up there. If ever any club was looking for a boost financially and involvement, opening up to the other NK breeds isn't a bad idea. I think they don't realize just how small the population is. It's not like opening up to the other breeds are going to bring in a flood of non-Shiba dogs to the competition.

    Okay, I just got an affirmative vote for an October show from @poeticdragon, anyone else? :)

    Jesse
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  • mdokicmdokic
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    Hahaha...doesn't matter to me when it is! :)
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  • shishiinushishiinu
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    How about a winter show since all the dogs will have a full coat?
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  • CrimsonO2CrimsonO2
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    as full a coat as a dog can get in Southern California weather :-). Thanks for all the ideas guys, I love it. I'll get back to you regarding research, plagiarizing BSA bylaws, and seeing who would want to be an officer and all that other boring junk....I just wanna show my lil' girl again dammit and have her bark her head off at the Japanese judge!

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  • aykayk
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    Winter show means a possibiilty of rain, which would require tents. Could drive down entries, too.

    How about a weekend near Nisei Festival? Advertise during the Nisei Festival with a booth and then hold a show?

    http://www.niseiweek.org/

  • shishiinushishiinu
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    Yes the nisei week would be great! Can't get anymore perfect then that and it will raise awareness in the Japanese community.
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  • mdokicmdokic
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    Cool idea @ayk!
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  • PoetikDragonPoetikDragon
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    Maybe having a booth at Nisei Week 2014 is step one to raise awareness and get members, and then booth and show to follow in 2015...

    I don't suppose getting a booth in 2013 is possible? I know AKIHO is getting together this weekend to discuss our involvement in Nisei Week.
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  • lindsaytlindsayt
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    Speaking to the "why don't more Shiba breeders register with NIPPO" point, it does have to do with the dual registration issue and paying the fees when no US dogs go back to Japan to compete in nationals. There doesn't seem to be much motivation to keep doing it after the imported parents get here. There is also a lot of breed politics from what I understand, that contributes to the lack of general interest in NIPPO registered litters, since the BSA is usually attended by the same smallish group of people year after year. And you are correct @crimson02 that for someone like me for instance, who has offspring of NIPPO registered dogs, I would have to go back and pay for registration for multiple generations of AKC dogs that were not NIPPO registered once they were born in the US from imports.

    In my case, the studs are NIPPO registered, but the dams they were bred to are not, althought their sires were (just no dams). I believe that's what Shigeru had told me at one point anyways, when I asked about it. Lastly, and I am not 100% sure about this, but there are some JKC Shiba breeders who are very famous and have exported a lot of dogs, and I am not totally sure if those dogs were all NIPPO registered either, and several programs have dogs from those breeders going way back to the 90's. That's a lot of dogs to register!
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    Post edited by lindsayt at 2013-07-30 14:12:44
  • PoetikDragonPoetikDragon
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    I see no reason why the Chugata NIPPO club couldn't do what the Colonial Shiba club does, allowing any and all registries for the show. I don't have NIPPO for any of my Akitas and never had a problem. They accept AKC as well.
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  • *JackBurton**JackBurton*
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    Nisei week is in a current state of flux as well. Its worth having a booth at the function, I think it's a great event.

    Kennel clubs in general are seeing a decline in participation. One simple solution is to allow altered dogs to participate. Another option is to run open shows for a couple of years. Akiho allowed the two European branches a couple of years before they went Akiho only.

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  • aykayk
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    Maybe having a booth at Nisei Week 2014 is step one to raise awareness and get members, and then booth and show to follow in 2015...


    Maybe a NK Planning Picnic in Fall 2013 (invite the BSA and AKIHO organizers to pick their brains) followed by Club Picnics in subsequent years. Don't want the fire to die out even if there's no show in 2013...

  • CrimsonO2CrimsonO2
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    I see no reason why the Chugata NIPPO club couldn't do what the Colonial Shiba club does, allowing any and all registries for the show. I don't have NIPPO for any of my Akitas and never had a problem. They accept AKC as well.


    Not a bad idea @poeticdragon. So, it would be any and all registries as long as they are NK breeds? I know the Colonial Shiba Club allowed both contest entries as well as evaluation only for altered dogs. That was a great way to get participation by owners of NK who had altered dogs.

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