Lost Shikoku in Illinois
There should be a Lost and Found category here 
I saw this ad on FB. Is this a forum pup? :
Lost! #SouthElgin #IL (Hancock & Rt 31) Raiden - Neutered Male Looks Like A Coyote. Call 847-767-1230 (main) and 847-767-1223 Email: Tkbryja@Hotmail.Com If Seen Or Found. Friendly. 2 Yo, 35 Lbs. Sesame: black, tan, cream. Cream chest and darker, more distinct markings than a coyote. Wearing a black leather collar. Will run if followed or chased, which could send him directly into traffic. Microchipped, . Kane County, 60177. Missing 01-28-2013. Please Share. js
I saw this ad on FB. Is this a forum pup? :
Lost! #SouthElgin #IL (Hancock & Rt 31) Raiden - Neutered Male Looks Like A Coyote. Call 847-767-1230 (main) and 847-767-1223 Email: Tkbryja@Hotmail.Com If Seen Or Found. Friendly. 2 Yo, 35 Lbs. Sesame: black, tan, cream. Cream chest and darker, more distinct markings than a coyote. Wearing a black leather collar. Will run if followed or chased, which could send him directly into traffic. Microchipped, . Kane County, 60177. Missing 01-28-2013. Please Share. js
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I wonder if they're related!
I think the name sounds familiar because there is a Raiden on the forum, but Raiden is a Shiba.
No, Osy, its not just you. He sure does look like him. Poor Raiden. Im glad to see the word getting out relatively quickly on this though...
Don't give up on the NK! THEY NEED YOU!
"One owner dog", "Escape artists", "Wild", "Primitive", etc.
Things will improve as the fancy/community gains more knowledge on how not to underestimate their dog's escaping abilities.
I hope Raiden gets found soon.
I also don't think it is a NK issue, but rather a spitz issue. I had owned Siberian Huskies exclusively prior to Shikoku and I have to say, all the Siberians I had owned were MUCH worse about escaping the yard and then MUCH worse about listening to coming back. Both my dogs have escaped our yard, but in general, they are much easier to catch once out than Siberians.
That being said, some of Brad's dogs have more of a Siberian attitude when out loose (ie, catch me if you can) and I can certainly understand his frustration as I had that with one Siberian who was truly an escape artist and could disappear like a ghost immediately upon getting out. He was super smart and savvy about hiding and or not letting me find him. If I did, he just ignored by come call. Surprisingly, despite all of his escapes, I always did find him and he lived to 14.5 years old! But it can be VERY frustrating!
My coworker lives in the sticks and keeps all his dogs outdoors. They do not have a fenced in yard too. They believe all dogs will come back to them. He used to have a Sibe but he ran a few miles out and got hit by a car. It was stupid on the owner's part. Recently, his Golden Retriever passed because he was hiding under someone's car and they backed up not knowing the dog was underneath.
Is it really a dog problem or more of a trainer problem? I know it's a bit rude to blame the owner but does the problem rest with the human? My Akita had a really good recall where I would be able to call her off when chasing a rabbit. I am working on Eevee's recall and I it's greatly improved since we got her. Take a look at @Losech's Conker. He's good off-leash.
Kris has been training Kuma in obedience and am pretty sure he would not run away. If he does, a "down" command from distance will keep him still enough to catch him.
Dragoon, the kishu, however, has crazy ass prey drive, and zero desire to stay around with you. She started off wit great recall, I thought she would be like Fate. As she aged, it got worse & worse. If she can go chase a bird, [ or a leaf blowing in the wind ] she'd rather do that. If I really wanted to, I could probably stick an electric collar on her & train her to have OK off-leash reliability. But why bother?
The problem isn't that they don't come back when off leash, the problem is they go feral once they do get off, IMHO. ~
Of my dogs, Kuma is the least reliable if he gets out of my fence. It is kind of strange, because I can work him outside the fence in "obedience" patterns and his PERFECT. But if he gets out on his own, his recall isn't all that great (nor his downing on command). He tunes me out like the Siberians did because he prefers ground hog hunting (we live on a farm). Our best bet when he does get out (which is infrequent) is to drive up to him with our truck and open the extended cab. He prefers car rides to hunting. If I take him to an open park, his recall is also excellent and he is very good off lead. So in his mind, he wants to listen, but if the exciting thing is more interesting (ie, ground hogs) he will tune me out.
My female who escapes more frequently (she's a digger) has perfect recall even though she loves hunting too. She always comes when called.
I hope that they find this lovely shikoku!!
And Zinja, your co-worker doesn't deserve to have dogs if s/he can't keep them safe, and letting them roam (and get killed) is not keeping them safe. People like that make me crazy.
Example, I've lost my Laiki several miles into the bush on the side of a mountain in bad weather at high altitude. Hiking in an area we had to drive to... I searched for hours and eventually had to give up my search as weather was getting bad, it was getting late, and I needed to drop down in altitude some 3000+ feet to find my car. Their Tagg collars were absolutely no use due to the lack of cell coverage.
Anyway, I left them up there. There was just no way I could find them in the wood in bad winter weather. So I dove home - about a 20 minute drive...
Got home and two hours later, there were Ike and Anya at the back of the fence...
Why can't these lost NK do that???
For Jindos, the average is 3 days before they return on their own.
Kai A (male/female, age when fled)
-Escaped from a fenced yard.
Kai B (male/female, age when fled)
-Ran while off leash walking/hiking
Kai C (male/female, age when fled)
-Got out the front door.
I guess I'm wondering if there are any common circumstances. I'd really like to be aware so I can hedge certain activities/situations! Maybe there's a thread where this is already discussed, or perhaps I should've started a new one, but I just thought it would be helpful.
To boot Mei is a Kai mix with probably Shiba, I don't know for sure.
I was not really told about the no off leash thing with Koda. This forum only had one Kai owner on it I think when I got him and that was Kona. No one ever talked about it, so I just walked with him off leash like I would any dog. You have to know how I was raised.
I don't worry about Koda. If he runs off, he will come back. I just keep going. I lost him for like 10 minutes yesterday on Mt. Diablo. Mika and I just kept hiking with her on the long lead. Koda came back. I wasn't worried at all. He just decided to go out on his own.
With Mika things have changed. I have such trauma issues with Kais running off that I don't give her the chance. I took her down to Pt Isabel last weekend, and believe it or not she actually did really well. She even had pretty good recall for her first time ever. I trusted the area only because the only place she could go was in the ocean, and I knew she wouldn't do that.
I'm with @wrylybrindle none of these dogs were off leash when lost. I'd probably assume that they had inexperienced handlers before I blamed walking them off leash.