Kishu Rescue
  • AisuAisu
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    I have a 2.5 y.o. neutered male Kishu Inu. His name is Aisu. He is a great dog and is wonderful with our four kids. I live in New England.

    But…
    He has defensive issues and has always been resistant to new men. He also has issue with biting other dogs. He has some neighborhood friends that he plays very rough with. But when he meets new dogs, he has a 50/50 chance of snapping at them. And it’s not a little snap. He is also bad with puppies (I don’t know why, but he seems to hate them).
    He has a very strong prey drive. He will chase a deer for 3 miles. He has caught and killed three foxes that have had the misfortune of roaming into our yard. He is a hunting breed and if you want to hunt with a finishing dog, this could be the dog for you.

    But the bad news is that he has recently bit a child. This wasn’t one or our kids, but a stranger. It was a young kid that came up to the dog and got in his face. The dog was lying down and was cornered. The dog bit the kid on the hand pretty hard. For this reason, I have to give this dog up. I have four kids and while I feel no threat to my family, I have new kids coming and going around my house all the time. I cannot live with the risk that the dog might bight another child. I sincerely believe that this biting incident was not the dog’s fault, but that doesn’t really matter for my situation. If the dog ever bites another person, it would be my fault.

    So, I am giving up a heck of a dog. I am doing this as an alternative to penning him up in our yard or putting him down. But this dog would have to go to a person in the right situation. I would say that kids would be out of the question. I would also say that other dogs are a challenge. He would likely be fine with other dogs if he was part of a pack, but you would have to manage the introduction properly. And you would have to be ok with rough play. If you have not ever watched Kishus play, watch this video because it looks like they are trying to kill each other.


    Ideally, I would like to see this dog to a hunter because this is what the dog was bred to do and what he really loves.

    So if you are interested in adopting an adult Kishu, I have a great dog. But I don’t want to sugar coat the situation. You have to be able to handle owning a Japanese breed (no small challenge on its own). He has killed a bunch of small animals. This dog has bitten at least ten other dogs at the local dog park. And now this dog has bitten a child.

    On the up-side, this dog is a tracking and hunting machine. He is very well trained and responds like clockwork to a list of verbal commands.

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    Post edited by Aisu at 2012-08-31 14:26:37
  • Oh, what a difficult decision! I am sorry you had to make it. I wish you the best of luck finding Aisu an amazing home.
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  • CrimsonO2CrimsonO2
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    I'm sorry to hear about your predicament with Aisu. One thing is for sure, is that you've come to the best place on the internet regarding North American NihonKen owners if ever you needed rescue assistance.

    I hope everything works out well for Aisu.

    Jesse
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  • atlasatlas
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    Oh man. I'm so sorry to hear this. I hope he finds a great home.
  • shishiinushishiinu
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    Wow that really sucks, I wonder if Crispy would be interested? By the way where did you get your dogs? They look really similar to Carleens kishus.
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    Post edited by shishiinu at 2012-08-31 15:41:15
  • ttddinhttddinh
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    sorry to hear about this.
  • CrispyCrispy
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    @Aisu - did you get Aisu from Carleen? In these situations, breeders may help rehome dogs they've produced or may want to know they're going to a different home.

    but, that said... @shishiinu is right - I'd love an adult Kishu to rescue! I love puppies, but I know puppies tend to be a little easier to place than adults (especially if they have history or behavior issues). I was looking for a female, since I have two boys already (one is a little more combative, the other is "bombproof")... but if you think my home would be a good fit, we can always try introductions for all the boys. I'm open to answering any questions or... whatever application process you've decided is best for Aisu.

    Where in MA are you? I mentioned in your intro post that I'm a little north of Providence, RI, but I work in Bellingham, MA.
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    Post edited by Crispy at 2012-08-31 18:34:52
  • aykayk
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    I have a question to the forum at large about the video of the Kishu pups.

    Do you guys really consider this playing?
  • shishiinushishiinu
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    IMHO I don't see it as playing. My kishu litter never played that way and even if they got a little carried away, yuki usually stepped in to stop it right away. I'm guessing yuki's pups are not too bad at meeting new dogs or puppies although they have crazy prey drive due to their hunting lines (I'm sure they are a pain in the ass at times though).

    Nami (yushoku kishu pup) was a little aggressive toward other puppies but she gets along great with other dogs but probably due to my brothers excellent work on her social skills.
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  • CrispyCrispy
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    @ayk - I was actually watching that video earlier and it concerned me a little. I would not have let those pups go on like that. It's not even "rough play" in my book.
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  • KayobiKayobi
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    If those two pups were mine I would have stopped them. Looked like a dominance struggle and neither pup would give in.
  • CaliaCalia
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    That really sucks about Aisu, I hope you find him a good home.

    That video looks more like arguing/bullying than actual play, it did start with them both wanting a high valued item (a glove I think). Wasn't necessarily a fight either, as there doesn't seem to be any punctures or blood. My pups rough play all of the time, so rough in fact where people think they are fighting, and it doesn't look nearly as intense as what those two pups are displaying. Heck, my one pup got to play with a Kishu and it didn't get nearly that intense (and that Kishu comes from prey driven hunting lines).
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  • LosechLosech
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    I hope you find a good home for your Kishu.

    That video does not look like play. Some of it does at times, but most of it, no. Looks more like disagreements/bullying. I wouldn't have let puppies go on like that, regardless of the breed or "how they play".
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  • StaticNfuzzStaticNfuzz
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    Hope there is a special place for your dog where he gets the care and management he needs to be fulfilled.

    About the video....Oh ick.....That's just ridiculous bullying, the entire 7 minutes amounted to sparing until exhaustion sets in. They should have had intervention and been broken apart and redirected within the first minute(s). This type of behavior does not serve any purpose to benefit training. As they mature it probably won't be pretty and make it pretty darned difficult for socialization with other dogs. Hope they found homes where it was less of an issue.

    Snf
    Post edited by StaticNfuzz at 2012-08-31 22:30:49
  • SayaSaya
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    Yeah the two pups reminded me of the B&T shiba pups at the Madison WI shiba picnic the breeder had to break them up they stopped when she clapped, but at one point she had to separated them they got too excited.

    I agree they should been stopped and redirected and if persisted separated for a bit.

    I hope Aisu gets a good home he is a handsome kishu.

    Sad he got pushed to bite by the kid. I'm always strict with hyper kids who are kind to get in dogs face if they can't calm down they can't see my dogs.

    Saya loves kids, but I'm not taking chance if the kid decides to punch or get too rough with her..
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    Post edited by Saya at 2012-08-31 22:31:28
  • Ha Ann! I was going to ask the same thing but I didn't want to distract on the rescue efforts for Aisu. That much neck-grabbing and kill shaking had me on edge the whole time I was watching the video.

    Jesse
    Jesse Pelayo

  • BradA1878BradA1878
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    Yea, no, that's not play. That's resource guarding that tipped into a fight. I had not watched the video yet... I played it, and Jen came in from the other room and said "was that you or were some of our dogs fighting?" ... I said "it was supposed to be a video of Kishu playing" .. She said "I don't even have to see the video to tell you that's not play."
  • I'm also chiming in with it being a fight. It alarmed me too--looks pretty much like what Bel has done when she's trying to kill a dog (ie. Toby) except, of course, she's drawing blood. But she's neck grabbing and kill shaking...and she means it.

    So yeah, I see that as a fight too, and I also wouldn't have let it go on, because dogs can get really hurt. And many dogs have long memories--a few squabbles that are really heated like that, and they keep escalating, and dogs get hurt. Or killed. :(

    But I do hope Aisu gets a home....
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  • My spouse had roughly the same response as Brad's. That was a difficult seven minutes to sit through, and I have no idea how the person filming it didn't do something about it. But "their tails are wagging, so they must be happy, right?!"
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  • TrzcinaTrzcina
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    Hope you find a good home for him!

    I too agree the video doesn't look like playing... well, the two in the background that are mostly just chasing each other look like they're playing to me, but the tussle looked like it probably started as play before the video started, but quickly turned into a power/resource struggle.

    Nevertheless, he's a good-looking dog and it has to be a hard decision to rehome him, but I think you came to the right place to find people knowledgeable about the breed. I'm certainly not, but I'm just here to learn haha.
  • KenshiKenshi
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    That is heart breaking. Damn. He looks just like Tomoe. He's from that winter litter from Carleen's kennel, end of 2009 / beginning of 2010?
  • AisuAisu
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    yes. he was born 3/1/10 in TX.

    I don't know the complete history. But we were offered the dog when he was a little over five months old. My guess is that he was returned, but that's not the story we got.

    Do you have a sibling from that litter?
    Post edited by Aisu at 2012-09-05 13:30:47
  • AisuAisu
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    So there seems to be a lot of contention over describing the puppy video as "play". I won't contribute further to that conversation but I can show you exactly how my dog plays. This is Aisu playing with his neighbor, a Wheaten Terrier. He sees this dog about every other day and they play like this every time they get together. They usually go for about 15 minutes until the Wheaton gets tired and makes it clear that he doesn't want to play any more.

    Maybe this is part of my problem, in that I let him play too rough. But we do a lot to socialize him with other dogs. He's just hit or miss. And this is dramatically different than when he fights with another dog. That usually involves a clamp-down bite on the neck, growling and shaking the other animal. It is totally different. It is violent and aggressive. And that is pretty much what happened when he bit the kid (described above).


  • That video is play and is very different than the other.
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  • SayaSaya
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    I agree with above looks like fun play.

    I love the video they look like best buddies.
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  • My kishus play the same way in that second video. I don't think it's a kishu thing cause my older kishu Riki that passed away few months back was laid back and calm.

    It's a hit and miss with my dogs on what strange dog they get along with. Some dogs they like and others they don't. I feel like I did a ok job on socializing my dogs but I know my dogs aren't dogs I take to dog runs, they are strictly boar hunting dogs.

    I'm really sorry that Aisu isn't working out for you, I hope there is a place for him soon. Have you talked to Carleen at all? I wonder if she might know a better home for him.
    Gen, Ami, Kaylynn, Trinity, Yusuke......Riki, Hana, Sammi, Taro, and the newest addition Koyuki.
  • CaliaCalia
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    Some of the big differences I've noticed between Aisu playing in your video and the pups arguing in the first video are contact and breaks. The pups rarely broke contact and only went for the neck, while Aisu was going for other areas of the body including the feet. Aisu and the Wheaten also took more breaks/breathers in a shorter amount of time than the pups, the pups stopped out of exhaustion while your guy stopped out of social respect. There's also a smoother flow with Aisu than the pups, pups were very stiff.
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  • CrispyCrispy
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    I'm really excited to meet Aisu! I'll be going up to see him soon and I'm sure I'll fall in love. He looks like he's having a blast with Bosun. I hope he's as happy to meet my boys. :)
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  • AisuAisu
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    Thanks to all for breaking down the differences between the videos. I don't pick up on those subtleties myself, but I do see them when you point them out.

    Carleen was not a ton of help with my issue. She essentially presented two solutions: pen him up or put him down. Neither of those are going to work for me. But if I cannot find a more suitable home for Aisu, I can just totally limit his exposure to new dogs and new people. That's complicated but I can do it. Reading Shishiinu's comments that he knows not to take these dogs to the dog park is encouraging.

    We'll see how it goes, but the situation is still workable while we figure it out. Thanks for all the support.
  • aykayk
    Posts: 1979
    Carleen used to live in California, land of the sue-happy, so I understand why she won't re-home a known biter.
  • I agree with everyone on video #1, but I see video #2 a bit differently than you guys do.

    I do think Aisu IS certainly playing in the second video, but I think Bosun is not reciprocating equally, and seems to be trying to get away from Aisu. He seeks his owner a couple times, Aisu persists. There are breaks, but only Aisu shakes off- Bosun is not relaxing or destressing. Bosun is almost always on the ground, on his back, backing up, seeking the humans or moving away then whirling around when Aisu bites his leg & keeps going for him.

    I dont think Aisu wants to hurt the terrier at all, but I think Aisu enjoys this play a lot more than the Wheaten does. I dont think the Wheaten has the weight of personality to tell Aisu to tone it down and have him listen. Bosun is overwhelmed but cannot stop Aisu except by trying to avoid, look away, follow the people away- he is not 'safe' enough to shake off for a sec.

    I disagree that Aisu shows much social respect, I dont think Aisu give a flying fig that Bosun is uncomfortable and if I were Bosun's owner I wouldnt let this continue. I dont think Aisu will hurt the terrier, unless Bosun finally cracks and sticks up for himself.
  • BradA1878BradA1878
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    Aisu looks a lot like Kishin (my Kishu) playing int hat video. Well, Kishin may be a bit more laid back, but still, he plays rough. Aisu might be a bit of a bully, based on that video, but he doesn't look anything like the first video.

    I only own one Kishu (Kishin). I've met Gen's, and Shig's, and a few others in Japan, as well as Nami... but I have not lived with any of them. So I am not totally comfortable making a breed-specific statement. However, with regards to Kishin, he has a LOT of "civility" - he gets mad when he feels he's been wronged by a dog. You can see it in his face and body language, it's like he *clicks* into "Angry Kishin" and doesn't back down at all. It can be a lot to deal with.

    So, if Kishin is like any of the other Kishu Ken out there, I can imagine that sometimes this rough play "tips" into a fight and Aisu goes "all-in"... I know that happens every now and then with Kishin - especially when he plays with Ahi.

    Kishin isn't insecure at all, but maybe Aisu is, and I could see that civility and insecurity mixing to be a pretty nasty combo at times!

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  • BradA1878BradA1878
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    oops, cross-posted with @WrylyBrindle - yea, Aisu seems a little like a bully in that video to me as well.
  • I second the comment, "I do think Aisu IS certainly playing in the second video, but I think Bosun is not reciprocating equally".

    Bear with me and the length of this.....

    The video is around two minutes and the terrier gets slammed down 9 times and thrashed without reciprocal play. Self handicapping by the Kishu does not occur until physical objects hinder his tackling at the very end of the clip. Combined, to me, it indicates the intensity is too much. A little past half way there is also a sniff of the ground by the terrier in an attempt to get activity to calm down.

    It really is too bad when the terrier is looking toward the humans or the house the people just run off. At some point the terrier moves in toward objects cars and bushes for cover to stop the onslaught and to close the open spaces while snapping and batting the Kishu off. Wedged into a corner with little room, only then does the Kishu somewhat handicap a bit at the very end. Certainly one tolerant terrier.

    With that said, no matter how tolerant an animal there is a breaking point and that's where it can turn over time, possibly ruining a good friendship. It is so important not to have one animal in a home or friends pushed to the limit of its tolerance and be at the bottom of play, sacrificing fun.

    Again intervention and breaking up of the intensity is so important so dogs learn what is appropriate. The younger the age this is started the better. The Kishu will need to have some management with his over the top intensity to keep his behavior in check.

    It appears, the Kishu may have what I would call (for lack of better word) "displaced drive", practicing boar skills on other dogs, i.e. extreme neck and hind leg jabs and thrashes.

    In some capacity, possibly that needs to be turned to a boar so that he packs better with other dogs. Don't know if it is too late for that or not..... learning the difference between the two species and using his mouth better perhaps.

    Not to skirt around reality, my concern is the fact the Kishu could give a hoot about the wishes of the other animal and has already used his mouth to get his point across on multiple species. Certainly I would think twice about introducing a smaller dog or puppy to him with the over the top prey drive since the off switch is on delay or possibly his over arousal is on short circuit.

    Thank you for being so honest about his situation and providing a glimpse I truly hope care will be taken to find the right home for him.

    Snf
  • ttddinhttddinh
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    I hope he finds a good home!
  • I agree with Snf's post which was really observant and thoughtful. I've seen this kind of play, too, and when I see that one dog is getting overwhelmed, I usually intervene. I also thought the terrier retreated to the humans several times, and that did look like the dog was looking for a way to get away. Perhaps I'm overly cautious, but I've seen play turn bad too quickly, and so that's what I usually do.

    I would think he would need to be paired with a particularly tolerant dog--and certainly a larger one.

    Hope he finds a home.
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  • Kuma123Kuma123
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    First, Aisu is a beautiful dog!
    I have a dog that tries to "play" as your Kishu does. I intervene, separate, distract, correct this behavior. I have seen it turn ugly quickly so it is best to prevent it all together. The Wheaten is obviously seeking refuge with the humans and finding no assistance there so he has no choice but to allow the Kishu to "push" him around. One day it may turn quickly and become a very dangerous fight. The Wheaten seems defensive throughout the video, never relaxing and does not seem to enjoy the playdate at all. That Wheaten is one tolerant and patient dog. If I were his owner I would have put a stop to this. If I were Aisu's owner, I would have put a stop to this.

    I hope he finds a great home! I wish you the best of luck and I am so sorry you are having to part with your dog. That must have been an extremely difficult decision and I hope it all works out! Please keep us updated :)
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  • CrispyCrispy
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    Met Aisu yesterday! He was very eager and played very well with Russell. Both of them ran around and made sure they peed on ALL of the things. They also managed to find some mud puddle, so of course they had to wear it. I think he'll get along with London just fine. Meeting again next week - maybe we'll see how he does with my cats.
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    Post edited by Crispy at 2012-09-08 09:52:59
  • aykayk
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    I'm glad that the first intro went well. With your doggie daycare background and expansive dog-reading skills, there's no doubt in my mind that you'll figure out if he'll be a good fit for your home or not.
    Post edited by ayk at 2012-09-08 09:59:29
  • Nice! I hope it works out. I know you wanted a kishu pup but maybe this could possibly be a great alternative. Fingers crossed!
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  • ttddinhttddinh
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    Great! I hope things work out!
  • BradA1878BradA1878
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    @Crispy - Awesome!
  • +1 what Ann said!
    Crispy has good exp and dog-vision, and two big wise dogs, so maybeee!!! :)
    The cats could be a tough pass though...
    Post edited by WrylyBrindle at 2012-09-08 12:29:16
  • SayaSaya
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    I agree cats might be an issue, but who knows maybe with time you can work with Aisu to be fine with them when your around.. I'd probably not allow them to interact when you leave in case something happens.

    Saya does well with cats, but if they run she chases..
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  • KenshiKenshi
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    Tomoe is from the earlier litter as Aisu's, she was born in July of 2009. I do not believe they are siblings.

    Tomoe is definitely dog-reactive, but the way she behaves with other dogs is actually very complex. She will snarl and make a display with some dogs when she meets them, but she will almost always take a playful posture immediately after that. It is as if she wants to let them know she will mess them up if they get out of line, but as long as they are clear on that, they can play This is not accepted on-leash behavior though so I try to NOT meet other dogs on-leash like that.

    Tomoe generally prefers being chased, so she doesn't usually stay on a dog that is submitting or running away from her.

    IMO, I'd say Tomoe is the kind of dog that flushes or distracts prey while Aisu clearly wants to be the dog to take the prey down. I don't know what to tell you about whether this is something that you can change or mitigate. I have given up banging my head against walls trying to get my dog to be a perfect obedience animal. She is extremely good at some things and extremely bad - by modern suburban pet standards - at others. I think you do the best you can with training and socialization but these dogs just take a lot of patience because "f*** you, I am a Kishu."
  • AisuAisu
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    update. I just want to say thanks to all who contributed to this thread. i got so much great advice here. It's been 9 months or so since I was at my wits end with Aisu.

    Since this thread, I have implemented a lot of changes. One of the biggest changes is just my understanding of the dog that I have. shishiinu explained something in simple terms. He said he has hunting dogs and that's what they are. Once I came to terms with this more wholeheartedly, I gave up on situations that I think I was still hanging on to.

    Aisu doesn't go to my kids sport events and hang out on the sidelines. I used to do this and it's not the place for him. He comes with us and hangs in the car, and he likes that. I don't take him to a place where there are boud to be a bunch of other dogs and let him run free. That's just asking for trouble.

    But with his play with friends, I have done a lot to reel him in. A couple of private messages on this forum gave me a lot of very constructive advice. I wore Aisu out a little before his friend came over to play and that helped. I had to be very vigilant at first to stop Aisu from being too aggressive with the other dog. -I never realized that the other dog had had enough until you guys pointed it out from the videos. Now it seems so obvious. But as I backed Aisu down manually, Bosun stepped up his control over the play and now they play as equals. I still have to call Aisu off sometimes, but Bosun tells him what's up most of the time.

    And all of this has calmed Aisu down a little more for other situations. He's a lot better with meeting other dogs now. There are still a lot that he would just as soon bite as sniff, but if I am there, I can control the situation and keep him calm. If a dog runs up to Aisu when he is on a leash, I can insert myself between Aisu and the other dog, send the other dog away and Aisu is pretty much fine with it (doesn't even get his fur up). If this happened a year ago, Aisu would have gone right throuh me and ripped the other dog up. And if my kids are walking Aisu (still) and another dog runs up, they don't have the control to keep Aisu calm. And he will bit the other dog.

    But that partly goes back to knowing the situation. Aisu isn't the kind of dog that my young kids can walk on their own, if they might encounter a strange dog. At least for now. If he mellows more or if my kids get better at being the boss, it might change.

    The other ongoing issue is that he does sometimes snap at strange kids. Some kids are just oblivous and put their face up to a dog. For those kids, we try to keep Aisu in a bedroom while they are visiting. It's always a challenge when they meet and if we get busy or lose track of a situation, a kid might come over, jump out of their car and pop...Aisu is aggresively investigating what/who is in our yard. That is something we try to minimize but gets away from us sometimes.

    And if any time, I just don't like the way Aisu is reacting to someone, I put him on his bed or in a bedroom.

    I knew from the start that he isn't a black lab or a golden retreiver. That's exactly why I wanted this breed. But there were some parts of my subconscious that thought I was going to get to the walking off leash at dog parks, etc. Letting go of that fully was an important step in coming to better terms with Aisu.

    But thank you all very much for helping me through a really tough time. This is a great resource that helped me keep a dog that I was ready to give up on.
  • sjp051993sjp051993
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    Good to hear things are working out.
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  • BradA1878BradA1878
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    That's great news. I'm glad that things are working out for Aisu and you, that's very good to read - and nice to know he has an owner who is openminded and willing to understand him. Too many dog owners try to push their ideals onto their dogs and end up failing.
  • shibamistressshibamistress
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    Glad to hear of the improvement, and I'll echo Brad--I'm happy to see someone who is able to come to an understanding of the dog they have, and find a way to live with that. Good for you both!
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  • Myabee09Myabee09
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    It warms my heart to see this. I read through the entire thread just now and it made me smile to see that you kept him and are willing to keep working with him. My Shiba is difficult and her first two owners gave her away instead of working with her. It takes time, but once you figure out what works best for you and your dog, a bond is created and it is amazing. It's dog owners like you that inspire hope for others dealing with similar situations.
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  • CrispyCrispy
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    I know I messaged you, but I'm still very happy to see this! <3<div class="UserSignature">Akiyama no Roushya || 秋山の狼室 || www.kishu-ken.org
  • shishiinushishiinu
    Posts: 2337
    Awesome news! Glad you came to terms with Aisu and got a good plan going. Not all dogs can be "that" dog that can go to every outdoor function and be like Lassy.

    By the way there maybe another Kishu headed for the east coast soon. NY to be exact.
    Gen, Ami, Kaylynn, Trinity, Yusuke......Riki, Hana, Sammi, Taro, and the newest addition Koyuki.
  • EsperchanEsperchan
    Posts: 69
    Im so happy for you guys. It really is hope bringing to see that people care about their furry friends so much.
  • TrzcinaTrzcina
    Posts: 331
    I'm also really glad for you guys! To echo what so many others said, it's great to see people come to terms with the dog they have and try to work it out with each other.

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