What did your shikoku weigh at 3 months?
  • Hey Guys!

    I was wondering what your shikoku pups weighed at 3 months...

    I found this old thread, but the the info was for older pups,

    http://www.nihonken.org/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=57
  • InuYasha is 16.4 lbs and 16.5 inches at the withers at 3 months and a few days.
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  • EdgewoodEdgewood
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  • Shoushuu at 2 months and 26 days: 13 lbs


    Kotomi at 3 months and 2 days: 17 lbs


    I have no record on heights =/.
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  • Thanks guys! I was wondering how he was doing verse the norm.
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  • YogenYogen
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    Mine in 5 months weighs 11 kg (saddened in France we speak in kilogram).
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  • BradA1878BradA1878
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    At 3 months Ahi was 15lb.

    We don't know for Loa, she was between 10lb - 20lb. LOL

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  • BradnJessBradnJess
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    Thought we would bump this thread as there are more Shikoku pups growing up with forum members.
    Argos @ 3 months is 16 inches at the withers and about 21 pounds.
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    Argos: 19 months old already! He has grown so much!
  • jikjakjikjak
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    at 3 months, ghost was 22.2 lbs, i never thought to measure his height.
    today he is 22.8lbs.

    Ghost and Argos were born on July26, 2011
    Post edited by jikjak at 2011-10-29 17:48:33
  • Shuran at 3 months was around 11 lbs.
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  • jikjakjikjak
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    wow there are pretty big differences between all these 3 month weights!

    can some people chime in with their full grown shikoku weights?
  • Shoushuu is 45 lbs at 4 years of age.

    Kotomi is 35.8 lbs at 3 years of age.

    Shuran is still growing!
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    Post edited by ShikokuSpirit at 2011-11-23 02:11:25
  • jikjakjikjak
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    is shoushou a male and kotomi a female?
  • SangmortSangmort
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    Fate [ male ] was born September 14, 2010.
    - On 11.24.10 he weighed 9.4lbs
    - On 12.08.10 he weighed 11lbs
    - On 12.22.10 he weighed 13.4lbs
    - On 01.13.11 he weighed 16.5lbs
    - On 04.26.11 he weighed 30lbs
    - On 10.13.11 he weighed 31.2lbs [ 1 year & 1 month old, 18.5" (give or take .5") at the withers ]

    My vet recently gave me a chart of all these recorded weights, pretty cool to see. Fate was one of the smaller pups in the litter tho, & had whipworms for the first few months of his life, so not sure if that effects anything. He's also on raw & a super picky eater, loves to skip meals. I think he still has a lot of filling out to do.

    Hope this was helpful. ~
  • CaliaCalia
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    When Miyu was a little under 4 months old, she weighed 19lbs. Now at 13months she weighs 34.4lbs and is about 20". Miyu's brother, who lives with Peggy (the breeder), is currently at 47lbs.
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  • EdgewoodEdgewood
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    It is interesting to see all the different sizes. Just for an update, Sachi, who was 14 lbs at 3 months is now 20 months old and weight about 31 lbs and is about 18 3/4 inches high. Kuma, as a 4 year old, weight about 37 lbs.

    Seems like most of the shikoku end up weighing in the mid 30s -to just shy of 40 lbs and a smaller minority weigh above 40 lbs as an adult.
    Post edited by Edgewood at 2011-11-05 09:58:28
  • jikjakjikjak
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    oops, i thought the males would be 50-55lbs so thats what ive been telling people that ask. ill have to correct that to the 40ish lb range.
  • CrimsonO2CrimsonO2
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    crap...I forgot to contribute here for mine...Here's Kurenai's 3-month mark. She was born 10/6/2010
    1/8/2011 - 16.08 lbs.

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    Post edited by CrimsonO2 at 2011-10-30 22:41:20
  • BradA1878BradA1878
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    You guys are so good. I have no idea what the weights of our Shikoku were at 3 months. LOL
  • Thanks Brad, I feel better. All I know is that Miko (likely) weighed less than she does now.
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  • CrimsonO2CrimsonO2
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    @brad1878: My vet has a billing system in which her printed receipts come with her weight at that time and all previous visits. I just had to track down a receipt of hers that was after January to find her weight at 3 months:-).

    Jesse
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  • @jikjak - Yes, Shoushuu is male, Kotomi is female (and Shuran is male).

    @CrimsonO2 - Same here, my vet has the weights printed from each visit. Though occasionally, I'll actually weigh my dogs, lol.
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  • SangmortSangmort
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    My vet does the same, however, she also includes a pretty cool chart / graph. Had just taken the boys in so I happened to have it on hand, otherwise, I'd have no idea what any of the pups weighed. ~
  • jujeejujee
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    From all the posts looks like the weight of Shikoku puppies varies when they are 3 months.
  • jikjakjikjak
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    ive just been weighing him every few days and then logging the numbers on my calendar and on the iphone calendar.
    i should have taken other measurements too! hehe

    do u guys think that this current yamato litter can hit 50lbs or more?
    Post edited by jikjak at 2011-11-02 21:00:10
  • It is quite possible (maybe close to 50lbs). It would seem that Yamato is producing some BIG puppies! Anyone know how much Yamato, himself, weighs?
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    Post edited by ShikokuSpirit at 2011-11-02 22:58:48
  • CaliaCalia
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    I think Yamato is almost 50lbs, he was pushing 45lbs last year and still had some filling out to do.
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  • jikjakjikjak
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    so i guess yamato is considered to be on the larger side for a shikoku male?
  • Indeed, he is considered to be on the large spectrum of Shikoku Ken. I wonder how tall he is?
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  • CrimsonO2CrimsonO2
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    "Indeed, he is considered to be on the large spectrum of Shikoku Ken. I wonder how tall he is?"

    ...says the woman with a real-life bobble-head Shikoku (And I say this with utmost love for Shoushu, Corina:-) )

    Jesse
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  • all - Kuma (Kimi x Yamato - same litter as @jikjak Ghost and @BradnJess Argos) was about 16.5 at 3 months BUT he had roundworms for, I expect, a few weeks. He wasn't eating much. He bounced up to 21lbs by this week (He is now 3.5 months old). So he is a bit smaller than Ghost and Argos right now, but hopefully he'll get bigger!!! I'm hoping for that higher end of the scale at 50+ lbs...

    @jikjak - by huge coincidence, I ran into two other shikoku in Van - they are in West Van and live 50ft from my friends place. the only other shikoku in Van. Their Kuma (great name..) is from the Fall 2010 litter of Katja's and is the larger of the black and tans from that litter. He is 55lbs. Big. And he looks like he weighs more than that. Gorgeous!!!
    Jeff - with shikoku Kuma, 1.5yo at Jan 2013 and 45ish lbs
  • CaliaCalia
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    @Eljefespeaks - That black and tan, did he come from the litter that was 2 black/tans and 2 sesame types? If so, he may be the littermate to Fate ( @Sangmort ) and makes for a very big range in size from one litter (see Fates growth rate above).
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    Post edited by Calia at 2011-11-05 00:05:14
  • @Calia - yes-ish. that Fall 2010 litter was 5 pups, two of which were black and tan. and you are correct - there was A LOT of size variation in the puppies. The litter was 6 but one died. Seems like the sizes were widely skewed probably because of the large size - just not enough to go around. There were two in particular that were noticeably small - one black and tan (NOT Kuma in West Van) and one sesame. I have one pic of 4 of the pups just before they went to owners and Kuma is quite massive compared to the others, so not too surprising that he is at the top of the weight range
    Jeff - with shikoku Kuma, 1.5yo at Jan 2013 and 45ish lbs
  • HeidiHeidi
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    There seems to be quite a variation between shika pups. Not surprising, I guess. Even in the same litter, they can vary. Just look at Rakka and Ahi (they're littermates). Rakka's like a bigger shiba and Ahi's a monster giant! I wouldn't know what Rakka weighed at 3 months, though, because I didn't get her until she was a year old. Although I have some paperwork from her first vet, so they might have it on file.
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  • It will be interesting to see what the size range is in our litter of 5 brothers. The pups were all very close in size although @jikjak Ghost was the biggest. My Kuma is now 15 weeks and he is about 23lbs. Ghost and @BradnJess Argos are bigger. My understanding about puppy/dog growth is that each of them will get to a certain size despite that it may take each of them different times to get there. Meaning that just because Kuma is a wee bit smaller now (he doesn't eat as much as Argos and Ghost), he may none just as big as them later.
    Jeff - with shikoku Kuma, 1.5yo at Jan 2013 and 45ish lbs
  • SangmortSangmort
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    A good example of puppy size variation in the same litter. Fate is the smaller red pup.
    [ Katja's Aiko x Kuma, September 14th 2010 litter, these are the 4 boys...the female is missing ] ~
  • TheWalrusTheWalrus
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    Holy cow, I can't remember ever seeing variation like that in a litter.
  • CrimsonO2CrimsonO2
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    It's almost as if the boys are from two different matings with the same dog:-). Hey Osy, wouldn't it be nice to find the other 4 Shika pups and position them all the same way again for an after picture?

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  • SangmortSangmort
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    @CrimsonO2 - OMG! That would be hysterical! I'm sure my boy would be the smallest! haha ~
  • weighing in with Kuma currently at 4 months (17weeks) = 25.5lbs

    @jikjak @BradnJess - how much are Ghost and Argos now? I expect a bit more than Kuma as they were weighing more than him previously....
    Jeff - with shikoku Kuma, 1.5yo at Jan 2013 and 45ish lbs
  • @Sangmort - I have that pic too! I was going to take one of those pups but it was too short notice for me. The big black and tan in that pic is now in West Van. He's a bit over a year old and 55lbs (and looks bigger!)
    Jeff - with shikoku Kuma, 1.5yo at Jan 2013 and 45ish lbs
  • jikjakjikjak
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    i last weighed ghost on the 19th (sat) and he was at 27.4 lbs i think hes catching up!

    hopefully u get a pic of that black and tan one if you run into him again!
    i hope our boys get to be in that 55lb range.
  • tjbart17tjbart17
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    Just to speak about size variation in a litter. Koda is 52 pds, Tora I believe is 40 pds, and Glacier their sister is 22 pds. all Kais but it just goes to show how NK can vary IMO.
  • @jikjak, "i hope our boys get to be in that 55lb range" -that might be unhealthy for their bodies, joints etc.

    Post edited by the_november_rain at 2011-11-22 15:10:22
  • jikjakjikjak
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    well i definitely wouldnt want him to be overweight and unhealthy. i meant it more along the lines that he would be a bigger example of the breed, which would mean he could weigh more without being in bad shape.
    Post edited by jikjak at 2011-11-22 23:14:26
  • jikjakjikjak
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    just weighed ghost and today he is at 28.2lbs
  • *** Shuran = 30 lbs at 1 year and 3 months ***

    He is such a tiny Shikoku boy, lol!
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  • SangmortSangmort
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    WOW! Fate actually beat out Shuran?! I thought my boy was tiny lol

    It's ok Corina, I'm still convinced our boys will catch up by the time they're 2 :p [ I think they call this denial??!??! LOL ] ~
  • CrispyCrispy
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    I can't believe the variation in these dogs! :o

    For "small" dogs, it's crazy! Though, I seem to like them when they're a bit smaller (or rather, to the "average" standard). I like the smaller size of the Shikoku. It's what draws me to them. How long do they grow for? London is a large breed so he JUST stopped growing recently and I've never really had a smaller dog so.. I'm in the dark, comparatively. I imagine Shikoku have reached their adult height at a little over a year? How long is the "filling out" period?
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    Post edited by Crispy at 2011-11-23 23:38:15
  • tjbart17tjbart17
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    @ShikokuSpirit He's only 30 pds? I never would've guessed he would grow up to be on the small size. He had to be a good 20 at 4 mos. old. He's such a cute Shikoku.
  • Tara ( @tjbart17 ), he is pretty lean...I'm still trying to fatten the kid up! (Thanks!)
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  • Ok, these pups seem big to me. I mean, Argos weighed 29.2 pounds at 4 months old!! Some grown Shikas weigh only slightly more than that. I know males are bigger than females and there are differences within the breed but WOW. Arg isn't fat or lazy either. He seems in good form to us... and we walk him daily and he romps in the dogpark everyday with other dogs (he plays best with a pair of Suberian Huskies we met there). So should we be worrying about his weight and the impact it may have on developing bones/knees n hips? The vet says he is on track and developing nicely but (not to undervalue his expertise but he has now met one Shikoku) I can't help wondering if he is getting too big too fast. Maybe he is just big as he is Yamato's pup and he has such thick legs and big paws. Sigh, I don't know. And Arg isn't alone either, his brothers (Ghost and Jeff's Kuma) are right up there too nearing 30 pounds!!

    Any thoughts from you Shikoku companions?

    **edit**
    I would say Argos eats an average of 2.5 - 2.75 cups of food a day. Some days he is less interested in food than others.
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    Post edited by BradnJess at 2011-11-24 03:11:30
  • CrispyCrispy
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    @BradnJess - I know smaller dogs do most of their growing within the first 9 months to a year. I don't know the how long it takes the medium sized NK to grow, but if they're in that smaller time frame, it could be normal? I'm no expert on Shikoku. I can say that the vet doesn't need to see a lot of Shikoku to know your dog is growing nicely. :) He'd probably be looking at your dog's size and comparing it to the Shikoku average and his experience with other spitz breeds of a similar size.

    From what I understand, there ARE larger Shikoku (I've seen comments that Brad's Ahi is a larger example of the breed and Yamato seems like he's King-Sized as well?), so I wouldn't be SO worried about his size. It could have just been a large litter! The only thing I could suggest is, if you're very worried about the impact his growth has on his bones, is that he should have a lot of "down time" (don't let him over-exert himself). I'm sure others can pitch in?

    It's not a good comparison, but I know London was almost 40 pounds at a little over 4 months. He's now 95 pounds. He was 115ish at his heaviest (chubby Mal). He grew for at least 2 years. 40 pounds seems pretty ridiculous now that I look back at it considering his time of growth and his weight now, but his development was normal. Maybe the pups from this litter are similar?



    --just to be sure, I asked my friend (a vet nurse) about it and she said these dogs seem to be developing nicely (based on weight now and average adult size for the Shikoku breed). Her exact quote is: "they [puppies] grow like crazy at that point in their life, and as long as they are putting on weight rather than losing/not getting fat I wouldn't worry - bodies are pretty good at knowing how to do their thing"


    (this is such a longer post than I had intended)
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  • EdgewoodEdgewood
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    I would say that shikoku gain most of their height in the first year and then don't grow taller. My female is more or less the same general weight as she was at a year (maybe 2-3 lbs heavier) and she is just shy of 2 years old now. My male is now 4, and he neck and shoulders bulked up this year, whereas as a 2 year old, he still looked more juvenile.

    All of mine are sporadic eaters so I am like Corina trying to get them to gain weight.
  • Yeah, Jess tells me I'm worrying too much (which is funny because she is usually the worrisome one lol) and I know the Vet is probably right but I can't help it! I worry about our "little" guy! I just want him to be healthy and happy
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  • cmptekicmpteki
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    Don't forget to consider that most people are now feeding better quality food which is going to play a factor in muscle growth and development.

    I wouldn't worry too much; chances are they will settle in the 45 - 50lb range.

    Yoshi, at almost 4yrs old, eats ~3-4 scoops / day depending on his mood, and tends to stay pretty close to 45lbs. +/- 3lbs.
  • HeidiHeidi
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    Rakka eats like a bird. She eats 1 cup of kibble/day at the very most. She looks good, though. She's 35 lbs and muscular. Sosuke eats at least three times as much as her.
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  • VixenVixen
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    At the moment Gaiko is 10 weeks old and weights 7kg, which is ~15.4lbs.
  • BradnJessBradnJess
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    Since the thread's revived, might as well post Arg's update. He's 6 months as of a couple days ago, 41 lbs, 19.5" at the shoulder. Eating like a bird at the moment, think he might finally be hitting a "slow down" in his growth.
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  • jikjakjikjak
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    good to know! it seems that ghost and argos are growing at about the same rate. ghost also seems to be slowing down with his eating. he even started turning away raw food, hes been on kibble the last week but i still have some raw left so ill give it a try again.

    anyways his last measurements came out to 20" at the withers (abt 2 weeks ago) and he weighed in the other day at 42.4lbs. hes in good shape and not overweight or too thin and hes starting to get muscular.
  • BradnJessBradnJess
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    @jikjak That's funny. We go through the same thing with Arg, he gets tired with the "same ol' stuff." We started getting him tripe and he wolfed it down the first few times, now he sometimes snubs it.
    And Ghost is getting big, too! How do you weigh him? Get on the scale and then get on with him and take the difference? Just asking because there's a discrepancy between when we weigh him like that and when he gets weighed at the vet.
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  • LosechLosech
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    @BradnJess Not a Shikoku, but I've trained Conker to stand on my scale on his own so I can get an accurate reading. I just used a few treats and told him to wait for a moment, then he was allowed to jump off.
    I do this with my bigger dogs too but they are far less into this sort of stuff than Conker. It can take a while to get them to stand there with all four paws on the scale for longer than two seconds. They have never really been trained to do anything other than basic obedience but Conker has, so he doesn't think much of it. It's a lot easier to do it this way than pick up a thrashing 50 pound dog and try to read a scale that's on the other side of that dog.
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  • BradnJessBradnJess
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    @Losech We should try that. He's been a bit wary of scales (getting onto the vet scale), and still kind of light enough to hold, but he's just going to get bigger!
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  • jikjakjikjak
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    i do the scale thing at home. i weigh myself at least 3 times to make sure i get the same reading and then do the same while carrying ghost.
    the scale is digital so it makes it much easier since i just have to stand still long enough for it to take a reading and lock it in.
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