Tikaani's teeth are better, but what is he missing now

edited January 2009 in Other Breeds
Tikaani has finally lost his last puppy tooth, broke off while playing with Tetsu. Freaked me out with all the blood on Tetsu's neck, but it's all from Tikaani's mouth.

Any ways, his adult canine was growing more toward the inside of his mouth, I've attached an image that I found that was like Tikaani's mouth. Cause his last puppy tooth to so long to fall out, his bottom, adult canine tooth is growing into his upper mouth and cutting a hole into it. We scheduled a vet appointment for Saturday to get this checked out as well as get him a Lyme shot.

I just want to know what everyone else's opinion may be about this. Do you think it might fix itself, or is there a possibility that he'll need dental correction? Has anyone experienced anything similar?

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  • edited November -1
    The first time I noticed my dog had that, I gave him an ice cube. After he finished it and started chewing on his chew toys, I noticed they were getting bloody. The loose canine had worked its way out. Ice cubes and frozen wet washrags as chew toys oughta take care of stubborn puppy teeth. However, I'm not going to dissuade you from seeing a vet if you are feeling very inclined.

    Jesse
  • edited November -1
    He has already lost all his puppy teeth, my concern was more on the adult tooth cutting through the mouth
  • edited November -1
    I don't really know anything about canine [ or human, for that matter! lol ] dental issues, but I hope it all works out! <3 ~
  • edited November -1
    the best bet is have the vet check it out, then see a specialist if they think you should. The teeth cutting through the mouth could cause other tooth migrations so get it checked out asap like you are going to!
  • edited November -1
    Nola's canines came in like the picture above. Once she had the puppy teeth pulled, the adult teeth moved into their correct positions. However, her adult teeth did not cut into the roof of her mouth like you are discribing. I would definitely have your vet check it out...

    Do they make doggy braces for situations like this?
  • edited November -1
    Hi Calia
    Definitely see your veterinarian about this. Base narrow canines can be very problematic. Sometimes the cause is retention of the deciduous canines and other times, the mandible is just narrow. If the appropriate interlock is not achieved with the canines on the upper arcade, then the lower canines will puncture the palate just as you describe. Not only is this uncomfortable for Tikaani, but it can result in an oronasal fistula (a hole that connects the oral cavity with the nasal passages.) Infection and aspiration of food material is then possible. The best option would probably be a slant plate that could guide the lower canines into proper position. It's very important to get that done ASAP while the teeth are still erupting and the pup's jaw is developing. The plate is later removed. See if your veterinarian can recommend a veterinary dental specialist in the area. Another option would be crown shortening so the lower canines aren't as long. Extraction of the lower canines would be a salvage procedure only (but better than an oronasal fistula). He's a young dog and dogs use their lower canines to carry things often. Their tongues tend to protrude too without lower canines.

    Check out Dr. Jan Bellow's website. Here is a section on canine orthodontics. http://www.dentalvet.com/patients/orthodontics/pet_orthodontics.htm
    Near the bottom is a picture of base narrow canines which I believe you are describing.

    Good luck.
  • edited January 2009
    Thank you Sarah for the info, the picture looks pretty much what Tikaani has. I can tell he does have discomfort since he doesn't close his mouth all the way and he's not vacuuming up his food, I'm just sorry we couldn't get a vet appointment sooner.
    I'm just so frustrated at everything that has happened with him. We gt him from what we thought was a reputable breeder, but he got sick two days after we got him home. The vet said his illness had been in his system for a couple of days, not something he got overnight. He had a 106F fever, that's like 104F for us, stopped eating and drinking, his breathing was weird and he wouldn't stop panting. His blood test showed that everything was low, both white and red blood cells as well as the platelettes.
    He wound up being on IV during the day for two days, while at night we brought him home since no one at the hospital would be there to supervise him. The breeder told us that he'd be better off being on IV overnight and she would pay for it only if he was brought to her vet, but that was a 6 hour drive we couldn't afford to take with a sick puppy. He slept next to me and Tom those nights so we can feel if something bad were to happen where we would have to rush him to the ER. After 3 days, his fever finally dropped, leaving blisters on his belly. Eventually they popped, but the vet said that he's pumped with enough anti-biotics that all we had to worry about is keeping dirt from getting in there.
    After the IV, lots of anti-biotics and about 5 blood tests over the course of two months. He had anemia for quite awhile, we spoiled him. as well as Tetsu, with red meats thinking maybe that would help. At 4.5 months, he eventually got a clean bill of health and his shots. Being sick, couldn't risk putting more germs in his system, even though they were harmless.
    We noticed his puppy teeth had brown banding, and the vet thinks it's from an anti-biotic that shouldn't be used on puppies. Everyone said not to worry, his adult teeth should come out fine. His adult teeth are also developing brown spots. Every since he was little, you can only feel one 'nad, so god knows what's gonna happen when we get him fixed. And I have a feeling that he has something wrong with something in his body, since the whites in his eyes have never been very white and he drinks like a fish. Or am I being too negative about his health because of what has happened?
    It's just getting so frustrating and I feel so sorry for everything Tikaani has been through. 5.5 months old and his chart is bigger than most dogs get in a lifetime.

    Sorry, just needed to vent some, didn't mean go off like that, but sure makes a person feel better.

    Anyways, I've included some pics of his mouth, very hard to get since he won't hold still. Definitely beginning to think it's the base narrow canine that Sarah mentioned:
    Tikaani mouth 1
    Tikaanimouth2
  • edited November -1
    Awwwww! poor babe!!! ~
  • edited November -1
    Maybe when the upper canines have grown in those will help guide the lower teeth into proper placement? Ouch-anyways, good luck at the vet-hope it's a better visit than when you first got him.
  • edited November -1
    Well, we brought him to the vet, they referred us to a dental specialist to look at the area and possibly do same day surgery on him. He is almost 6 months, and those pictures are pretty deceiving when it comes to the length of his canines. The canines are mostly in, so there wouldn't be any correction from the uppers anyways.

    We asked the vet about complications with getting him fixed, and she said that he has a great likelihood of it being a major procedure instead of just the normal incision. She says that he would have a greater chance of getting testicular cancer than a normal unaltered dog. The clinic where the dental specialist is doesn't do any form of fixing, even if it would be a major surgery, so there's no way to kill two birds with one stone.

    At least, since he'll be fixed by his regular vet, we'll have a multi-pet discount. This vet gives a 10% discount for families with 3 or more patients, doesn't sound like much but it definitely saved us a couple $100 when he was sick. Plus they offer a payment plan, so we don't have to pay in full for his fixing right away. I don't the specialist clinic offers that, but I'm going to ask.

    He'll be going on Tuesday the 27th, hopefully everything goes well.
  • edited November -1
    "Every since he was little, you can only feel one 'nad, so god knows what's gonna happen when we get him fixed. And I have a feeling that he has something wrong with something in his body, since the whites in his eyes have never been very white and he drinks like a fish."

    He has one undescended testicle also? Whenever he goes under for surg again to remove it or have his teeth fixed (the vet probably already offered or asked, but you could get some follow-up bloodwork to check on his liver/kidneys). Do you notice a yellow hue to the whites of his eyes or gums?
  • edited November -1
    Not yellow, more reddish or brown in his eyes and his gums are more yellow. The vet says that that was ok to have and stated that if it were yellow then we worry. I could be just over worrying, since he has all this and it's come to the point of thinking "what else could go wrong"
  • edited January 2009
    well I'm glad you got a dental specialist referral, they can at least give you realistic options.. its not easy, on your pup, you or your wallet.. but having definitives are a blessing. Hang in there!!
  • edited November -1
    Tikaani had his dentist appointment this morning, and the vets prescription is Lacross ball. He must keep one in his mouth for 15 minutes, 3 times a day, for two weeks. We tried to get an x-ray of his teeth, since they were showing staining consistent to his puppy teeth, but Tikaani would have none of that.

    I'm both glad and disappointed about the whole thing. Glad because Tikaani won't need braces, and disapointed cause we spent $140 to be told that he needs to chew on a ball. Oh well, it is what it is.
  • edited November -1
    wait - they actually have doggie braces??

    crazy.
  • edited November -1
    yep, vet said that extreme cases would need orthopedic braces. Hopefully the ball will fix the issues and keep us from potentially needing braces for Tikaani
  • edited November -1
    Wow... Poor Tikaani. Hopefully the ball will help move his teeth into proper alignment. How in the world are you going to keep the ball in his mouth for 15 minutes? Nola and Bella get bored with their balls after about 5.

    Best of luck to your little guy. And keep us updated on how things are going!
  • edited November -1
    As far as keeping the ball in his mouth, my mom suggested a layer of peanut butter. I was thinking that this would be a perfect opportunity to teach him the "hold it" command.

    I'm just so glad that he's not going to have some major expensive surgery.
  • edited November -1
    Awww hopefully the ball will do the trick! Keep us updated. ~
  • edited November -1
    Your poooooor baby!! I hope the ball helps him!
  • edited February 2009
    The tooth has successfully been fixed and is no longer cutting his mouth. Now that that is over with, we had gotten Tikaani fixed the day before V-day. Due to his lack of ball, they had to give him a special procedure to find the hidden one. We were getting worried as the vet said that it could be as high up as the kidneys.

    Luckily, they didn't have to search through his abdomen, so it was cheaper (by about $200) than they quoted us and there will be a normal heal time. They found the hidden ball under the fatty pad, and an incision was made about an inch to the right of his "little member".

    So now he has two incisions and four stitches to worry about, plus his vet given e-collar only lasted two days. Over the first and second night, Tikaani chewed his e-collar enough to make it useless. Luckily, he hasn't been too persistent in chewing off the stitches. We picked him up another, this time something not made of plastic, so hopefully that can last till the stitches are removed on monday.

    Plus we also got him chipped and gave him his Lyme shot

    And now for a bit of spam:

    tikaanicone3
    Tikaanicone
    Tikaanicone2

    E-collar after one day:
    chewedcone
    And then the next day:
    chewedcone2
  • edited November -1
    pups look so pitiful with those collars. Glad to hear that they were able to find the missing one!
  • edited November -1
    Awww, Poor guy. At least he's finally on the mend.

    Best of luck.
  • edited November -1
    Wow, I've never seen a dog chew up their e collar. Poor guy to go through all of that. He looks pretty relaxed.
  • edited November -1
    poor little guy...hope he's on the mend soon!

    I found these collars online after someone suggested it for Cody for his occassional hot spots. They have the added benefit of being soft and you can fold them back for them to eat....

    http://www.healthypets.com/elizacollars.html
  • edited November -1
    Awwww! Poor little man, much love to him! <3 ~
  • edited November -1
    Wishing a speedy recovery to Tikaani. Guess he did not lose his persistence in spite of all the incisions! Amazing what he did to the e-collar!
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