I've been scammed

edited June 2017 in Shiba Inu (柴犬)
I don't know for sure but when I do a preview the blockqoutes don't show up nor does the link in the next sentence.

I've already posted in about being scammed but I want to document the whole process, to put down all conversations between myself, Ryder Shiba Inu Pethome and the carrier that was purportedly supposed to transport the puppy. Is it ok to list all communications between us? I don't want to cause myself any trouble.

It seems to me that any emails if copied verbatim should be ok to post. My intention is to document the whole process from my first email to Ryder right through the final communication when I, essentially, told them to shove it.

I will start here and if any moderator wants to delete any or all of this post then I will not continue.

So to begin: I will post all communications in the order they occurred.

From me to Ryder


Contact Form Details:
Name:              Robert Wichmann
E-mail Address:    XXXXX
Phone Number:     XXXXX
Subject:     Select Breed
Message:           We had a female Shiba for 11 years. She was a
"rescue" in name only as a friend could no longer take care of her.

We are looking for a peach colored male/female that will eventually be
neutered. My wife has for about 35 years fibromyalgia and now the
beginnings of dementia. She needs companionship, our help isn't enough
as she if only with us four hours a day four days a week.

Our first dog was a German Shepard Timber Wolf mix; fantastic dog,
then a pure bred German Shepard and finally our Shiba Inu.

Other sites insist on refrences with the exception of veterinarians
but that is the only one that knows how we took care of our pets, 40
years with the same vet.

Are there any charges other than the price of the Shiba? I'm not sure
about the identification capsule.

Where are you located? and how long before a Shiba can be shipped? How
are they shipped? By air and then how to my home? UPS, FEDEX or other?
Where are the coupons mentioned at the bottom of this page? If coupons
are not available what is the transportation fee?

I didn't pick a puppy since I am interested in a Peach of either sex
though maybe tending toward a female.
Reply from Ryder:

SHIBA INU PUPPIES FOR SALE

Ryder Shiba Inu Pethome

Jun 9 (11 days ago)


to me




Hi Robert Wichmann,
         i am called Ryder and am writing from Ryder  Shiba Inu Pet
 Home (http://www.rydershibainus.com/). You contacted us about the
Shiba Inu puppies we have for sale They are still available  and
current on all shots. They are vet checked,deworm,good with kids and
other house hold pets.They are also current on all their shots.They
loves cuddling and loves to go for walks and rides. let us know which
of them you will want. Prior to making this transition, we always
request that all interested person should address a few of our
worries/concerns and know what we expect
of you when you become a new owner of our baby ,
           First of all, We do NOT place our pups in homes where they will
just be breeding and making money without proper care and adequate
medical attention. In addition to the importance of medical attention,
we do NOT let our pup go into homes where they would live permanently
outside! Furthermore, we will NOT place our pup with anyone who has
any history of child or animal abuse!
               We advise our potential buying families to take time and
educate themselves on how to properly care for their unique new
Shiba Inu child. As long as you can make us understand that you will
share the love in your homes with the pup, we will consider placing our
puppies in your home, regardless of your location.
           We are located here in Michigan so we will have to ship the puppy
we consider shipping as an option and we make the shipping
arrangements; this is because most often we find suitable homes for
our puppies but they might not be located within a driving distance. I
can guess what question you have in mind right now, 'Flying a Puppy'!
Is it safe? This question is often asked. We certainly wouldn't
consider it if it wasn't. I personally asked this question to the man
of the shipping company on my first attempt to ship a puppy some
couple of years back, and this was his answer to me "When we book a
flight for a puppy it is only on safe and approved Airlines that have
pet-safe programs that Follows USDA guidelines "       The puppy will
have the same air as the pilot flying the plane & someone will be
there to cater for him on board and off the plane until delivery is
completed. When we go to book a flight for our pets, we always call
ahead and find the most direct flight available (much as if you were
looking for a flight for yourself) Our puppies have always arrived
safe and sound in their new homes, he even went further to say that
"it is better and more comfortable to fly a puppy on a 2-5 hours
flight than drive with that puppy for 6 hours or more". And that I
believe so much because I know they are professionals and will deliver
the puppy safely.Basically shipping a Shiba Inu puppies within USA and CANADA
requires the following for a pet-safe program;

   - Certified Health and immunization certificates
   - Airline approved crate (sof-krate N2 Series)
   - Climate controlled pet class flight fee

Usually we charge an additional Fee for shipping per puppy, but right
now we have coupons from our shipping agent to ship  puppies at no
extra cost, so if you buy or deposit for your puppy while these
coupons are still available and valid, we will be able to ship your
puppy for free. Otherwise shipping will cost an additional fee

The shipping process normally takes between 6-18 hours to complete.
We are not full time breeders and only breed for the sake of
experience, My partner is in the military and i work for the civil
service so breeding and selling puppies is not some kind of business
for us as we do not look to make profits yet. We only charge a fee
which is usually smaller than what regular breeders charge for this
breed, our fee is just enough to cover feeding and medication and
other expenses on each puppy until date.
           Just get back to me as soon as you can so that we can advice
you on the next step.

Thanks and waiting your email back
below is a copy of the email you sent for your reference
Ryder and family
I will continue this in the next post.
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